Thursday, 05 November 2009
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Offended By Evolution?
"If any of you are offended by my belief in evolution, then please know, that down the hall there is a geology class where they learn about things from millions of years ago that led to our discovery of fossil fuel. So, the next time you get in your car to drive to your church, know that you are using something that was discovered because of our belief in evolution, while you go to that place where they teach you not to believe in it." -Dr. Paddock
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heh, the world is 6,000 yrs ago and the big dude in the Sky told us where to get our fuel.
Epic win. Great teacher.
w00t!!
Haha, nice. I like being in science classes where they don't even acknowledge that some people reject evolution. They just teach it because it's science and it makes sense. No need to bring un-scientific theories into science classes.
I feel really dumb because I've never thought of it like that. ._.
Dr. Paddock is my hero and I don't know him.
very nice.
@Chinese_Sait0u - You're actually very intelligent for being open to learning :)
@Paul_Partisan - Duh... because that makes the most sense!fossil fuel can be created in mere hours. the flood model is the top model for explaining plate tectonics- assuming the theory is correct it too can explain the existence of massive amounts of fossil fuels (and non-fossil fuels) being trapped under simulatneously laid layers of earth. no millions of years necessary.
@PreciousOnyx - I don't see the relevance in saying thatfossil fuels can be created in mere hours. In a similar situation, just because we can make
diamonds artificially doesn't negate the fact that natural diamonds
take billions of years to make. It sounds like you're really grasping at straws to validate your beliefs. I have plenty of Christian friends who agree that evolution makes sense, that maybe life took a few billion years. Of course that starts us down another path of talking about whether or not Genesis is figurative or literal, but that's for another post in another time.
Oh yea, and next time you fill up your car or use plastics, be sure to use products made from artificial fossil fuels, because, you know, natural fossil fuels took BILLIONS of years to form, and that can't possibly be right. Out of sight, out of mind.
@Chinese_Sait0u - How do you know that these natural fuels took millions of years to form? How do you know for certain they didn't form in a day and have just been waiting for us to find them? Ultimately you cannot know the answer because you nor anyone here was there. And uniform processes in geology are a pathetic explanation for mass graves of fossils. Have you ever seen roadkill fossilize? Didn't think so. Fossils require sudden events that cut them off from decomposing. The catastrophic model of the flood better explains the massive amounts of fossil fuels we find buried under the earth.
@PreciousOnyx - Here you go. If a fifth grader could learn it, so can you. http://www.energyquest.ca.gov/story/chapter08.html
Notable quotes I saw were "Oil has been used for more than
5,000-6,000 years. The ancient Sumerians, Assyrians and
Babylonians used crude oil and asphalt ("pitch") collected
from large seeps at Tuttul (modern-day Hit) on the Euphrates
River. A seep is a place on the ground where the oil
leaks up from below ground.
The ancient Egyptians, used liquid oil as a medicine for
wounds, and oil has been used in lamps to provide light.
"
"Sometime between 6,000 to 2,000 years BCE (Before the Common
Era), the first discoveries of natural gas seeps were made
in Iran. Many early writers described the natural petroleum
seeps in the Middle East, especially in the Baku region of
what is now Azerbaijan. The gas seeps, probably first
ignited by lightning, provided the fuel for the "eternal
fires" of the fire-worshiping religion of the ancient
Persians.
"
Please address what I said in a clear and coherent fashion rather than spouting random nonsense like "How do you know for certain they didn't form in a day and have just been waiting for us to find them?"
I believe research outside of bible study groups will help you learn.
Just as a test mainly out of personal curiosity, how do you think scientists tell how old a rock is?
@ecoutezmonhistoire - I sincerely apologize for spamming your comments
@Chinese_Sait0u - Spam away! It's nice for me to see debates. :]
@Chinese_Sait0u - And none of that contradicts anything I said. But thanks for the useless "lesson." I am aware of the dating methods scientists use, I am also aware that most dating methods argue for young dates and the ones that don't aren't the most trustworthy. I also know that evolutionary assumptions were worked into the calculations used for c-14 dating- he assumed that c-14 both enters and exits the world at the same pace- he couldn't prove this to be the case but nonetheless it remains an axiom in the function of the calculation.
Please stop talking down to me. Just because you disagree with me doesn't give you the right to mock me.
Heh heh, I don't believe in evolution, and I have one thing to say:
EPIC WIN.
@PreciousOnyx - Your main belief right now is that you protest the idea, the concept, the theory, the assumption, that fossil fuels take hundreds of millions, even billions of years to form, right?
@Chinese_Sait0u - Uh, yah. That about sums it up. But it's not as though I believe that without reason. Darwin's whole theory is saddled on the back of uniformitarianistic geology- slow processes over millions of years, etc etc. In particular Darwin was impressed by Charles Lyell whose work has now been largely discredited. Lyell held to a long age view (with the presumption the biblical account was wrong) of the earth and set out to prove his view. He went to Niagra Falls and set about "studying" its rate of regression. He claimed that the Falls only regressed a maximum of 2 to 3 ft a year when in all actuality it's more than double that rate. But he stuck with 2 to 3 ft because it gave the Falls a minimum age of 30,000 years. The official state park today dates the Falls at 12,000 years (but they don't take into account a worldwide flood in their calculations which could easily dash that estimate).
Sediments and organic matter can be turned into solid stone and fossils in less than a day. Consider the results of Mt St Helens. And neither is this rare or uncommon. What else is concrete but marketed rock? You mix water with the chemicals and crushed up sediments and in a matter of hours you have a slab of stone- you can even add your own fossils:) But seriously, the massive fossil graveyards we find all over the earth don't speak of slow uniform processes but of sudden catastrophe that froze animals and plants in large quantities. The plants could thus easily transpose into fossil fuels.
I'll leave you with the link of a geologist whose work in the Grand Canyon is rather singular and is recognized by the scientific community- they even wanted him to take along National Geographic to publicize his findings. But his work shows how a very large layer of the Grand Canyon was formed rapidly. http://www.answersingenesis.org/media/video/ondemand/geologic-evidences/geological-evidences.
If it can be shown that large portions of the geologic column were formed under rapid and catastrophic conditions it is only necessary to call into question theories about dating which rely on that column.
OOOOOOMG that is HILARIOUS. I go to a Catholic school, and they'd NEVER say that. I think i might bring that up in faith class hahaha :)
@Megs - Totally! :D